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io.js TC Meeting 2015-01-21
Links
- Google Hangouts Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUoWlIshY9s
- GitHub Issue: https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/509
- Original Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com//document/d/1yOS17cUt7QUHJXxdVmEpS1ZS_N32HMO9QTHb2qL-KHk
Agenda
Extracted from https://github.com/iojs/io.js/labels/tc-agenda prior to meeting.
- Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/403)
- Governance: Add new collaborators (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/234)
- Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/405)
- also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy) (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/251)
- doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’ (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/470)
- Working group reports
- Streams
- Website
- ICU
Minutes
Present
- Bert (TC)
- Ben (TC)
- Chris (TC)
- Colin (TC)
- Fedor (TC)
- Isaac (TC)
- Mikeal
- Rod
- Domenic
Mini stand-up
- Bert: Release, polish, Windows installer, Windows XP, ICU
- Ben: Fixing bugs, reviewing PRs, maintenance
- Chris: Cleaning up points where core reaches in to private state of streams, TLS bug with New Relic
- Colin: Reviewing PRs, moving vars to ES6 consts
- Fedor: Commenting, working on replacement for GYP, written in C: https://github.com/indutny/pyg
- Isaac: npm stuff, some streams discussing
- Mikeal: Website WG, social media accounts, facebook, G+, etc.
- Domenic: Changelog & Release, clarifying V8 stuff
- Rod: Release, etc.
Review of last meeting
- File copyright policy #216
- LICENSE file
- governance: Add new Collaborators #234
- Deferred to this meeting
- The state of ES6 on io.js (re V8 upgrade policy) #251
- Only discussed V8 upgrade policy, re 3.31 vs 3.30
- 1.0.0 release checklist
Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings
(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/403)
Enough agreement on GitHub and in private communications amongst TC. Done.
Governance: Add new collaborators
(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/234)
- Mikeal: Proposed Chris leads an onboarding process, do a Hangout with a group of people from the original list who are willing to go through the process and take them in the first week and iterate from there.
- Bert: +1 for an onboarding process, more interested in handing out voting rights to a larger group.
- Mikeal: Would rather separate the voting rights issue from adding contributors, make a separate issue for this with ideas and come back to it at next meeting.
- Ben: is an onboarding process necessary? New contributor should pick it up fairly quickly.
- Chris: How we review code and deal with issues (cultural things) is hard to get across with just a written process.
- Isaac: Basically apprentice model for joyent/node but faster and more inclusive. Some brief instruction on how to do things.
- Mikeal: adding collaborators gives us an informal voting process, +/-1s on issues with the “collaborator” badge
- Bert: would like to widen and formalise the voting process
- Mikeal: wants to tackle the issue by bringing org to the roadmap repo, will bring Bert in on the process
Discussed whether onboarding should be mandatory.
Proposal: take anyone proposed that +1s in that thread, mandatory onboarding process by Chris, limited by how many he can take.
Passed
Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process
(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/405)
V8
- Mikeal:
- how to align with V8 process and increase collaboration
- semver + V8 introduces some challenges
- Domenic: V8 is synced to Chrome releases, Beta should ship with the version that ships with release
- Ben: is the proposal to stick with stable V8 release that’s in stable Chrome?
- Domenic: ideally some “beta” version of io.js that uses a Beta V8
- Mikeal: we need more releases to get experience with this, assumption is that at some point we say “this is stable” and have a stable and unstable branch.
- Discussed current release patterns, how they map to minor/patch
- Domenic: we are in a “danger zone”
- Mikeal & Domenic discussed how you might achieve a “canary”
- Bert: proposal:
- io.js track stable V8, bump minor and possibly major as required
- have a pre-release that tracks the Beta
- Domenic: would like to keep V8 version upgrades as a separate concern to other experimental additions to io.js, decouple from io.js releases / semver?
- Ben: happy with stable proposal, want to move discussion on unstable to an issue for further discussion.
- Action: Ben file an issue to discuss how unstable works
- Agreement: V8 should track stable
Logo
- Discussed logo-per-release
- Mikeal: we need a versatile logo to use across all web / social presences. Having a logo to designate a release would be good.
- Mikeal: ideally website team would like JSON file containing release info to be checked in to the website repo upon completion.
Releases
- Rod: patch releases should be frequent, there have been 4 so far, it seems to be working well but we should monitor
- Domenic: frequent releases should be normal, patch & minor should just be part of the normal process
- Bert: would be good to have API change notes into the git log
- Discussed further about how to deal with API changes minor/major, unstable branches, etc.
- Agreement: patch and minor releases are merged as part of normal business, a release then is either a patch or minor bump depending on what was merged.
- Move discussion about tagging vs git log recording for patch/minor/major to GitHub.
- Punt on discussions about who can release and how that happens
- Punt on discussions about synchronizing with important ecosystem projects (NAN, node-gyp, nvm, etc.)
also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy)
(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/251)
Part of previous discussion
doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’
(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/470)
- Agreement
Working group reports
- Mikeal and Chris to semi-formalise the model
- Mikeal: 6 people actively engaged and growing, “could not be going better”
- Chris: streams group has initial set of members, some discussions going on, first meeting pending
- initial set of members: https://github.com/iojs/readable-stream/issues/97#issuecomment-70399923
- Rod:
- The Docker sub-group is going great and has even got the docker-iojs images accepted as the official Docker "iojs" images.
- Other "build" efforts are all release-focused for now, trying to streamline the process to make it possible to have multiple people able to cut releases.
ICU
- Bert:
- joyent/node has small-icu enabled by default making
Intl
work - can get it working but it makes the binary twice as big (~8M more)
- joyent/node has small-icu enabled by default making
- Domenic: ideally we would track browsers and just include it
- Ben: V8 adds ICU by default but you need to opt-out, which we do
- Action: Invite Steven Loomis to the next TC meeting to discuss further
Next meeting
- 28th January 2015